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What value do people mean when they ask for DPS?

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Yes, I have recount. Yes, I know how to use it.

What I want to know is what kind of situation people are talking about when they ask for DPS. Is it target dummy DPS? DPS on a specific boss? A general estimation of average DPS?

No one has yet given me a straight answer on this.

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This post is generating WAY TOO MANY ANSWERS. Most of you are agreeing with someone else and adding your $.02 - you should probably just upvote/comment (if you can / when you can) - I understand everyone is just getting started out here with reputation. – ♦♦gnarf (Oct 8 2009 8:30 PM)

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I agree. I selected one answer that I think best summarizes the majority's opinion. – Dazaras (Oct 10 2009 2:29 AM)

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When I respond to that question personally, I always say "I'm at X dps, self-buffed". That means that I put on all of my own buffs, let my trinkets proc, etc on a target dummy.This is generally the best estimation of your ideal dps, since for melee/casters some fights require them to move or do things that lower their DPS.

I wouldn't include buffs that you don't intend to have up all the time (heroism, haste potions).

If you're more comfortable telling them what you think your dps will be raid-buffed (ie : with other class's buffs) then go ahead and give them that. Just be specific.

edit: clarified using a target dummy

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That's why the question is such a bad one to ask, because DPS is variable for each fight type.

Generally the best answer is to give an average over the course of an entire raid. IE, reset recount when you enter the instance for the first time (or after Flame Leviathan in the case of Ulduar) and look at your DPS on the overall damage list at the end.

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When being told what someone's DPS is (while bragging or trying to get into something), I usually assume they're telling me the absolute highest number they've ever seen themselves do it a 25 man raid (full buffs). If they're not telling you on what/with what buffs, they're probably going with whatever makes them look best.

As far as what I tell people, I always give them my figure for self buffed against the raid dummy (and mention that's what it is) or my average DPS the last time I ran that instance/boss (again mentioning that "last time I ran it I did XXXX dps").

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Oh man, I'm a 12k DPS in that case (from lucky crits from Rain of Fire) – Merus (Oct 18 2009 10:59 AM)

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NPC webcomic has a funny take on What's your DPS? =)

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While reading this topic this answer seemed just a little well... short and maybe rude. I assumed the link was to a DPS definition on wowwiki or similar. But no, it's a very on topic funny little comic that pretty much covers the core of the debate here. – Mystiplix (Oct 9 2009 10:55 AM)

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Thanks for pointing that out Mystiplix. I clarified my link, I didn't mean to be rude hehe! – Wikwocket (Oct 9 2009 12:45 PM)

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I try to answer that question with some context.

"I usually do X dps on XT Hard Mode 25" or something like that.

But to answer your question directly, I don't think most that ask the question really know what they want for an answer. Heck, if you are a caster, let them know what your highest Hodir DPS was lol! "Yeah, I do 16k." Kidding!

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When people ask you, they are asking you to give the number you expect to show them. Generally this is focused on bosses, and excludes trash. The question is there to set an expectation.

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I generally think of "my DPS" as the Overall number I get from a night in Ulduar/ToTC10 (that being my regular raid). This balances out the fights where DPS is low with those that offer some zany buff for a good overall picture.

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There is no best answer since DPS is such a situational thing.

The best thing for you to do is to gather your best guess (try not to go over) as to how much DPS you would do in a given encounter. i.e. Raid or 5-man

If you don't have that information, I would give your self buffed target dummy DPS.

Most people who really want to be sure you can back your claim will check be.imba anyways.

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just average out your usual performance. this question usually refers to a fight like patchwerk, but since there are no more fights like patchwerk, the number will seem like a lie.

if you do 3k dps on a high mobility fight, and 4k dps on patch, answer 3.5k dps

don't dwell too much on it. If it's a fight you have already done, you should have an idea of how much dps you will do in this fight.

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Usually if someone is going to demand a DPS number be given, then it's always important to give the context of that DPS number.

"I do 3.5k DPS" is a useless statement. For all the reasons stated in this thread. 3.5k on a heroic dummy? A critter? Patchwerk? Anub'arak?

So, saying something like "I do 3.5k DPS on a target dummy" is now more clear. I have context. I can at least compare that to my own experiences or the experiences I'm familiar with of people in the same class as you. However, some classes scale differently with buffs so this can be an unreliable number.

"I do 3.5k DPS in 25 man on Patchwerk (or Koralon or Anub'arak or Twin Val'kyr or Ignis)." Suddenly now I have a better idea what it means to have you in my group. I can tell your performance in a relevant fight with full buffs so that I can compare it to my expectations.

Lastly, if you have to give a DPS number either for a PuG or for a guild application, make sure you pick a fight flattering but meaningful. XT is certainly flattering to melee because of the ability to pad the meters during heart phases, but it's not giving someone an accurate picture of your DPS. Ignis is also a mixed bag. It's a great fight to benchmark melee DPS but not caster DPS because of the frequent pauses in combat due to Flame Jets.

So, as so many others have said, the answer is "it depends." If you have a rough idea what your DPS has been on the fight in question (for example, if you're trying to get into VoA and you know your previous Koralon DPS) then give that. But ultimately tell the person, "I have the right gear for this fight, I've done the fight before, and I do very good DPS. If you don't like my performance, feel free to remove me at any time."

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