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What is a hardcore raiding guild?

Posted Jan 12 2010 3:23 PM by Phood , updated Jan 12 2010 3:23 PM by Phood

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Recently I have been wondering what defines a guild or player as 'hardcore' raiding/pvp?

Wow wiki tells me this:

Hardcore is generally a term for MMORPG players who play a lot (30+ hours a week), prefer challenging play (PvP or cutting edge PvE), and don't like rulesets that make the game easier. Often used in contrast to the term casual.

However I would disagree and suggest that this mentallity is more on the line of "elite" or "elitest".

Personaly my guild of over a year now I would described as a social guild, although we have at some points raided top end 25 and 10 man content, pushed up around the top couple of spots on our not too shabby server, and most of the time there is a raid going somewhere almost every night since I joined. We have also at points slacked horrifically, dropped put of the top 20 guilds on the server, and had weeks when we don't raid progress at all.

However I would suggest that the majority of players in our guild don't play more than 30 hours a week (and the majority of this time is spent nattering/slagging each other off).

so is there any better deffinition of what this "hardcore" term actually means?

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Posted on Jan 12 2010 3:49 PM by Shagrat

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In my opinion, hardcore vs. casual simply boils down to how much time you are willing to invest into the game. There is no skill seperation between the two, although the term 'casual' tends to get thrown around as a synonym for bad. The definition is correct when are speaking strictly in the terms themselves.

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Agreed. "hardcore" is really just based on time investment. – Christopher Schmidt (Jan 12 2010 3:56 PM)

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I thought I heard somewhere that some Ensida players only play a few nights a week, clear all content then carry on with there lives. I would certainly find classing players like that in realm of casual – Phood (Jan 12 2010 3:58 PM)

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@Phood - "Willing to invest" vs. "actually investing". Mind the distinction. Hardcore guilds are those where the players are *willing to invest* hours and hours and hours on actually learning the content, to the point of raiding 7 days a week for very long hours while some content is still unbeaten. Then, once they've beaten it, they very quickly master it, and as such, farm raids end up taking a very short amount of time (one or two nights a week if that). The difference's in the huge spike of raiding hours when there's fresh content (a casual guild wouldn't do that). – Aeliel (Jan 12 2010 4:06 PM)

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ok so is it once a hard core raider always a hardcore raider, or is it only when your actually commiting to play silly buggers hours? – Phood (Jan 12 2010 4:47 PM)

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Hardcore raiding comes and goes, but the mentality stays. I'll always be hardcore in that I need to know what should and shouldn't be done and how the game is played. However, I don't have the time to commit to the game anymore, so I don't actually raid that much. – Nehi (Jan 12 2010 8:00 PM)
Posted on Jan 12 2010 4:45 PM by Wridel

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You Might Be A Hardcore Raiding Guild If:

  • You require attendance from all members to all raids to continue participation
  • New members must pass a recruitment process and/or trial period before being allowed raid access.
  • You schedule more than 15-20 hours of raid time every week.
  • You schedule raids longer than 4-5 hours.
  • You do not allow more than one alt character per player
  • You are in the top 10 ranking for progression content on your realm
  • You only have 25 players and raid 25 man content

You Might Be A Hardcore Player If:

  • You commit more than 24 hours a week to gameplay.
  • You have more then two full geared endgame characters
  • You Hit 365 days on your /played.
  • You have fond memories of raiding Molten Core at level 60 (and constantly remind your guildies of that fact)
  • You have experienced at least one guild breakup due to progression failure
  • In four years your account has never been inactive for more than a month.
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If your mother-in-law drives a tractor to the grocery store! Oh, wrong "you might be.." question line... – ♦♦Jesta (Jan 12 2010 4:48 PM)

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Note the wiki, edits welcome. – Wridel (Jan 12 2010 4:52 PM)

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Oh god, so guilty on pretty much all terms. – Aeliel (Jan 12 2010 9:07 PM)
Posted on Jan 12 2010 5:26 PM by Phood

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guildprogress.com is currently tracking 120380 guilds worldwide

I would suggest that a hardcore guild exists in the top 1% of that population (is rated in the top 1203 guilds in the world)

I picked 1% out of the air but it seemed like a nice number (discuss)

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Posted on Jan 12 2010 5:35 PM by Wikwocket

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The terms 'hardcore' and 'casual' mean something different to everyone. 99% of the time, they are used in the following manner:

  • A hardcore raiding guild is one that raids more than my guild. Also, their members have no lives.
  • A casual raiding guild is one that raids less than my guild. Also, their progression is a joke.
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Rofls! excellant answer :D – Phood (Jan 12 2010 5:46 PM)

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+1 I was just about to write something similar, but not as funny – Runc (Jan 12 2010 6:34 PM)

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A+, would vote again – Ecogirl (Jan 13 2010 7:01 AM)

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