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How do raid lockouts work?

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I am new to raiding, and wondering what the mechanics of raid lockouts and getting saved are. I understand the basic idea of getting saved but, for example, what if 2 people from the same saved raid each separately form a new group the next day and attempt to enter the raid – who gets the saved raid and who does not?

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+1 for an intresting question that I can't find the answer to :D – Phood (Feb 3 2010 10:25 AM)

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The simple answer is that both would. Any groups under those two people would fill into the same raid instance until its population cap (10 or 25 players) was reached - at that point, any further people would get an "Transfer Aborted - Instance is Full." error upon trying to zone in.

This allows lots of things, both good and bad, but the most common is Raid ID theft - in which case a partially-completed instance is taken by someone who was present and cleared by people who aren't "intended" to be there by sharing the raid ID out to other people.

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OK - that makes sense. Just for further clarification, lets assume Bob and Tom are in raid id X. They are saved after one boss down and call it a night. The next day Bob gets all new people (not including Tom) and enter raid id X and down a second boss. The next day Tom gets a group and enters the same raid. Is Tom able to enter raid id X since he was part of the original raid but missed out on the second boss? And if so, when Tom enters, the 2 bosses are down - correct? – Wolfsbane (Feb 3 2010 2:25 PM)

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100% correct. Stinks for Tom's group, and it'll stink even worse for Bob's group if they try to go in later and see even more bosses dead, but that's how it works in a nutshell. – Rilgon Arcsinh (Feb 3 2010 6:54 PM)

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Well just since there may be people that don't know looking at this question, a raid lockout is a week-long lockout that starts when you kill a boss in a raid instance. They then reset every tuesday (the classic raids may have different times though.)

Now on to your question. The person who gets the saved raid in that situation would be the raid that has the first person zone in. If they both split and try to enter, the first person in, their raid will get the lockout. The second group in will get a message along the lines of "You do not belong to this group's instance. You will be teleported to the nearest graveyard in 60 seconds." or something like that.

Tl;DR First come first serve, have at you.

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Just to add (this doesn't really matter enough to be part of the answer) this happened in BWL recently, so I do not know if Rilgon's answer is more accurate due to a change or something that was done in Wrath. – Woldo (Feb 3 2010 10:46 AM)

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Interesting, I've never seen that behavior - I've seen two totally separate raids with leaders who shared a raid ID try to force themselves into the same raid instance and succeed - at least in getting the group in there in *part*. – Rilgon Arcsinh (Feb 3 2010 10:49 AM)

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I never had until that BWL run, and again it is BWL so it could have been changed for later isntances and the change not activated for BWL... just a thought though. – Woldo (Feb 3 2010 1:23 PM)

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so bob from raid X only downs 2 bosses...can tom from raid Y which also downed to bosses form a group and enter into the same raid to continue progression?

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No. The raid ID is separate and cannot be merged with another with the same progress. – Woldo (May 27 2010 12:26 PM)

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